Reddit's Co-Founder Thinks the Internet Is Being Rebuilt for Machines
Reddit 创始人:互联网正在变成给 AI 用的
Reddit 联合创始人奥哈尼安认为,做社交应用「已经不酷了」:互联网正越来越多地为 AI 智能体设计,下一代 UGC 平台可能更像升级版群聊。他还警告,当人类对话成为有价值的训练数据,它也就变得值得被操纵。
Alexis Ohanian says building social apps has stopped being interesting, that the next user-generated platform may look like a group chat, and that human conversation is now valuable enough to manipulate.
Alexis Ohanian, who co-founded Reddit, thinks building social apps has stopped being interesting. The internet, he said this week, is losing the quality that made it human-centred, and the next generation of user-generated content may not look like a social network at all — more like a much better group chat.
“My internet growing up was built for humans first,” he said at the first WIRED World Fair. Increasingly, he argued, services will be designed for AI agents rather than people, and the familiar interface may fade as a result.
He is sympathetic to the “dead internet theory” — the idea that a growing share of what looks like online activity is generated by bots rather than people. Large language models have made that cheaper and easier, and agents now browse, click and post at scale.
The irony is that this has made Reddit more valuable rather than less. Its archive of real human conversation is exactly the material model builders want, and the company has licensed it to Google and OpenAI. “Platforms like ours have become very, very valuable to large language models,” Ohanian said.
Value cuts both ways. Reddit warned last week that Google's AI search was hurting the traffic it sends to the site, and the stock fell as much as 29%. When human conversation becomes commercially valuable data, Ohanian argues, it also becomes worth manipulating — and that, more than any technical change, is what makes the web easy to distort.
His prescriptions are modest and awkward. Reddit has said it will require users to log in, to limit scraping and hold on to engagement. Ohanian did not endorse that directly, but said the internet needs a way to show that a user is a real person — without turning identity into a privacy tax.
He is not, in the end, a pessimist. Ohanian runs the venture firm Seven Seven Six, was an early investor in Anthropic, and expects AI to deliver real progress in medicine provided the industry is careful about the harm it can also do. His own bet on human gathering has moved offline: he invests in sports, on the theory that a stadium is one of the few places left where a crowd is genuinely a crowd.
中文翻译(全文)
Reddit 联合创始人亚历克西斯·奥哈尼安认为,做社交应用已经「不再酷了」。他本周表示,互联网正在失去那种以人为中心的性质,而下一代用户生成内容平台可能根本不像社交网络——更像一个好用得多的群聊。
「我成长时期的互联网,首先是为人设计的。」他在首届 WIRED World Fair 上说。他认为,越来越多的服务将为 AI 智能体而不是人设计,熟悉的界面也可能因此逐渐消失。
他对「死亡互联网理论」抱有同情——这个说法认为,网上看起来像人类活动的内容,越来越大比例由机器人产生。大语言模型让这件事更便宜、更容易,而智能体现在可以大规模地浏览、点击和发帖。
讽刺的是,这反而让 Reddit 更值钱了。它积累的真实人类对话,正是模型开发者想要的材料,公司已将其授权给谷歌和 OpenAI。「像我们这样的平台,对大语言模型来说已经变得非常、非常有价值。」奥哈尼安说。
价值是双刃的。Reddit 上周警告说,谷歌的 AI 搜索正在削减它获得的导流,股价一度下跌 29%。奥哈尼安认为,当人类对话变成有商业价值的数据,它也就变得值得被操纵——而让网络容易被扭曲的,正是这一点,而不是任何单项技术变化。
他给出的办法既不激进也不轻松。Reddit 表示将要求用户登录,以限制抓取、留住参与度。奥哈尼安没有直接为这一措施背书,但他说,互联网需要一种能证明用户是真实人类的机制——同时不能把身份验证变成一种隐私税。
他终究不是悲观主义者。奥哈尼安经营风投公司 Seven Seven Six,是 Anthropic 的早期投资者,并预期 AI 会在医学上带来真正的进步——只要行业对它能造成的伤害保持谨慎。他自己押注「人的聚集」的方式已经转向线下:他投资体育,理由是体育场是如今少数几个「人群还真的是人群」的地方。
重点词汇
- co-founder /ˌkəʊ ˈfaʊndə/ n. — one of the people who started a company 联合创始人 Ohanian co-founded Reddit.
- user-generated content /ˈjuːzə ˈdʒenəreɪtɪd ˈkɒntent/ n. — material posted by users rather than the platform 用户生成内容 The next UGC platform may look different.
- bot /bɒt/ n. — an automated account or program acting online 机器人(账号) Bots generate much of the activity.
- manipulate /məˈnɪpjuleɪt/ v. — to influence something dishonestly or covertly 操纵 Valuable data becomes worth manipulating.
- licence /ˈlaɪsns/ v. — to grant official permission to use something 授权 It licensed the archive to Google.
- scraping /ˈskreɪpɪŋ/ n. — automatically extracting data from websites 抓取 Login limits scraping.
- distort /dɪˈstɔːt/ v. — to twist something away from its true shape or meaning 扭曲 That is what makes the web easy to distort.
- endorse /ɪnˈdɔːs/ v. — to publicly support something 公开支持;背书 He did not endorse the measure directly.
- pessimist /ˈpesɪmɪst/ n. — someone who expects things to go badly 悲观主义者 He is not, in the end, a pessimist.
- gathering /ˈɡæðərɪŋ/ n. — an occasion when people come together 聚集;聚会 He bets on human gathering.
阅读测验
共 5 道题目
What does Alexis Ohanian think about social apps?
What does he think the next user-generated platform may look like?
AI made Reddit less valuable because its conversations can no longer be sold.
Which points does the article make? (Select all that apply)
Ohanian now invests in sports because a stadium is one of the few places where a crowd is genuinely a _____.

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